User talk:Downspin

Hi there, Downspin, and welcome to WikiFur. Thank you for your recent contributions - let me know if you need any help not already provided. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 22:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

hello?

I was 18 in 2004 and joined the fandom of '04, which led me to take that pohoto of myself, in October. My b-day is in July so I was obviously of legal age when the supposed photo was taken. If you're gonna have a wiki on me at least be politically correct :P jakerzinc

Please don't editwar

Reverting supported statements to erase them is against the spirit of wiki. Please do not editwar. --Chibiabos 23:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

These statements were not supported, or were very poorly supported with quotes out of context. Please record these statements in the article's talk page so they may be discussed before they are added to article proper. --DS|go 23:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

If someone is, indeed, imping you then I apologize and hope you understand I still remain confused and uncertain. The organization you represent, CYD, is committing rampant libel and harrassment of me, and I am just a private fur. I would certainly appreciate it if you might attempt to amend the situation and enforce the supposed ban CYD claims to have on RailFoxen. I again re-iterate the sincere suggestion that you take efforts to ensure a miscreant parading around as you does not color your reputation with their behaviors. Greenreaper and his fellow wikifur administrators are generally competent and mindful of integrity when it comes to such abuses as one user masquerading as another.

Again, if it truly is an imposter, I apologize for the identity confusion. --Chibiabos 05:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd request you detail the libel and harrassment claims, and place them in a talk page. You seem to be the only person CYD has ever stalked, harassed, and written libel about, so you have the burden of proving you aren't paranoid or malicious.

No, I'm just the first person that's cared to speak up about it.

The recent article looks well documented, and all sources can be checked (though I haven't looked at Google Groups).

Not one of them has been.

You've complained CYD has labeled you a 'dog rapist', and by legal definition you are a 'sexual predator',

Libel.

rescuing strays and training them

Libel.

, thus the vernacular 'rapist' may be a valid description of your character

Libel unless you have a criminal record stating such.

. You'd have to convince the civilized world that what you do is not rape

False; you must prove I have been lawfully convicted of rape or sexual predation crime, which I never have been; thus, all of your statements remain false and libellous. And you can no longer disassociate them from yourself by claiming someone else wrote them. CYD has made these claims for many years and they are no more true now than they were then. CYD has followed me around from my livejournal to wikifur to FurryMUCK making numerous statements that are categorically false. I have never violated the sexual consent of any being; CYD, however, continues to violate my sexual consent by making false sexual allegations against me numerous times in public.

until you do, you'll be labeled.

Only by those who believe a group of individuals that have proven themselves to be liars already.

Also, I'd like you to confirm any part of the mob following you on the MUCKs is from CYD, name them all, provide logs, and show us where CYD encourages FurryMUCK players to track you down.

CYD has already established this by posting logs, unauthorized, of some of its spying on me on FurryMUCK. Notably you've left out the numerous times the past year or two that your authorized and condoned agents have stalked and harrassed me for the purposes of committing libel to afflict my character and reputation. I did not log those attacks your organization has willfully committed.

A forum member simply mentioning your name will not be enough.

Not be enough for what?

As everything written so far about you is undeniably true,

False.

nothing CYD has done constitues libel

False.

. We've also deleted your personal information wherever it's appeared, and gone out of our way to protect your real identity. I'm sorry

I do not believe you are sorry.

FurryMUCK players know about what you do with animals

You've just admitted your organization makes the libellous claims against my consent. They know what you claim, but they do not know that you are committing libel in doing so because I have never committed any act of rape nor violation of consent, and you have failed to produce any lawful conviction from any court showing your statements to be true. To re-iterate, you have no evidence and are committing libel by publishing information you know is false.

, and I'm disappointed the furry fandom is so offensive,

You are offensive.

but they have the same right to deride and mock you as you have to spread your rhetoric of hatred against the 'ewmahns'.

I've never attempted to enforce my views on others with your means of stalking, harrassment, hatemongering and libel.

Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft...

I don't speak German or whatever language that is. My apologies.

This ban is Mitch's deal, not mine, but I'm told Rail generates too many legal complaints, and what he does on the MUCKs is just close enough to be trolling to be against the rules. He's banished from the forums to keep him from talking about MUCK drama,

But posting a more permanent page on your site is okay, even when its filled with libel, and your admitting to his committing harrassment and attacks against me on FurryMUCK, contradicting your earlier claim to the contrary, grants that the CYD site is entirely responsible for his conduct and actions and accepts full legal responsibility for criminal acts he engages in.

and to keep him from posting things the other admins need to remove.

I haven't seen any removal of harrassing, libellous and attacking material. In fact, there's quite a heap of it on the forums -- in excess of 900 articles, as well as a more public and permanent article CYD is liable for.

Now, if you don't know, all front page articles need to be approved by Mitch. He'll accept articles from anyone - furries, anti-furries, members, non-members, and ex-members.

I somehow doubt they'd accept an article from me, considering the wanton disrespect for basic facts, professionalism in research or verifiability in claims.

Rail being on CYD or not doesn't matter.

It does when he commits criminal acts as an authorized agent of CYD.

If we like the article -- and I did -- it goes on the front page. If you're trying to catch us in a lie,

I've caught you on several already, and you've even proven more in this diatribe.

you'll need to try harder, and remember you'll prove nothing in the process.

I've already proven plenty from your own claims that contradict your actions.

We make mistakes, and we change our minds.

The only thing you seem to change your minds about are what image to present. Your anti-furry, anti-gay, anti-spirituality, pro-mob, pro-attack, pro-stalk, pro-harrass and sexual-attribution-on-everything sentiments remain pretty solid so far as I have seen.

I can tell you're intelligent and bright with a lot of experience to your name.

Funny, your article stated something remarkably different.

I know you'll understand that you're doing nothing to help your cause by fighting this way.

Well, that I'll grant you. I've not won many friends, and I can't say I don't care -- I do. It hurts. But I'd rather be lonely with a clean conscience than popular with a guilty one.

The harder you push, the farther back you'll slide. --DS|go 06:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Probably true, but if you knew the truth about me, you'd know the effort means more to me than the effect. I know I'm not going about this the right way. I know there's a better way I have yet to find. I am not a noble being, I simply don't value my life anymore to worry too much about whether someone in your group, or another of my stalkers who have already found their way to doorsteps I formerly inhabited, manage to find their mark and accomplish their goal of ridding the world of me. I'm still hoping Sibe does. Better me than others he's harmed. Its not because of some noble self-sacrifice ... its just that martyrdom is easier than suicide. Am I mentally healthy? No. Do I have emotional problems? Yes. Have I been professionally diagnosed with depression and anxiety? Yes. And yes, I know CYD's wonderful article on me tells me that, like the rest of society, you enjoy poking fun at people with problems because it makes you feel more powerful and problem-less.

Well, let me give you my little rant here then ... suppose some communist liberal type manages to slime his way into control and institutes programs to de-demonize mental health issues and offer universal social support and services for those who are troubled. And just suppose with all those kajillions of dollars that would be better spent on a bigger nuke or shinier tank to wage mass slaughter on some distant third-world kingdom, one person who would otherwise be driven by their problems -- and avoiding getting treatment for them on their own thanks to mobbish societal pressures from the likes of you into denying them as well as the prohibitive cost -- and that person doesn't go shoot up a school, turn to booze and cause a DUI "incident," or rape a child. Maybe, just maybe, NOT adding another stick to the fire to mob against people who are different than you might help as well. Unless, of course, you truly enjoy the results of what happens when people could not and did not get the help they needed when it would have done some good. --Chibiabos 07:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Then I will simply state that you are a liar, a fraud, a con artist, a self-servile cheat. Distorted prose - you follow Railfoxen's mold, indeed. I wish you the best of luck on your journey, as you have made an impression upon me. I am not a writer, so I shall quote: You are one of God's own prototypes. Some kind of operation on a wholly unique level, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. --DS|go 08:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Source for furry tutorial

Regarding this edit, did that tutorial originate at CYD or is the copy there a mirror? I think we should link to the original source and since I see you are associated with CYD I wanted to be sure you weren't just trying to direct traffic there. Simba B 00:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

LURK MOAR

The original hosted on Deviant Art is highly inconvenient to browse, thus I suggest linking the CYD mirror. In the event we create an article about the How to Be a Furry guide, the original should be linked. The previous mirror on ihaveaplan.be should no longer be used. Thank you for letting me clarify. =^.^= --DS|go 00:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)