Talk:Kid Radd

Right, I am kind of wondering if their is a template for, "the writing in this section is choppy and hard to read". Mostly for reasons that are not so much violations of the style guide, so much as violations of high school English class. Yeah, going to return to this to fix up some readability factors later, though, others are welcome to try their hand at fixing some of these issues. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KatrinaTheLamia (talk • contribs) .

Overhaul

Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is written more as an essay or research paper instead of a wiki. For this reason, if I'm right, I'll conform it all completely, without positive connotation and in the right style. Please respond if this is true.

Zhael 04:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah--I have heard complaints similar to this before. Honestly, I have no clue what people are talking about when they say this sort of thing. I mean, from what I have gathered, there is essay/research paper style, narrative fiction and "blog post" for how to write something on the web (ignoring the whole "business letter" style). I have seen the "essay/research paper style" complaint on a few other wikis. I confess complete nd total ignorance as to what they are talking about. I am going to have to ask for some sort of source on this style matter, or to have them pass what they are smoking. I mean--I admit, there are issues reading this, but mostly because I wrote it, looked back at it--and it looked like a really bad high school level paper (think: high school play type quality for a comparison).

Confirm what you mean by essay/research paper style... and why it is bad on a site that is an encyclopedia. Until then, I am going to merely guess it is a generic complaint about articles people do not want on these sites... as well... that is the only idea I can come across as to this "it reads like a academic paper" or "it reads like a blog post" really mean. --KatrinaTheLamia 04:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

It's subjective. It's also poorly written, to the point where I sometimes have to exert effort to figure out the intent of the words. To take a couple of examples:

• "did some fairly impressive stuff" - what stuff?
• "Kid Radd used original characters rather than the usual idea of the time to use recolours of Megaman or SonicTheHedgehog. Instead, choosing to make use of original game characters." - didn't it just say that?
• "most places on the internet will have a few people that will recognise the series known as Kid Radd." - really? Would someone unconnected from the topic say that?
• "JasonTheEchidna has done some rather impressive tweaks and modifications that have presented a workable viewer. Due to his desire for perfection on the viewer." - "rather impressive" is subjective, and the ordering is the wrong way around. The second sentence should go first.

We don't particularly care who writes an article, but if you make extravagant claims, you need to be able to back them up. And you need to be able to use basic grammar. You can't just, sprinkle commas, everywhere or put a full stop when you run out of breath. Then continue and expect people to understand, what you are saying. --GreenReaper^(talk) 04:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

On the "being subjective" matter, this would require a "citation tag" being applied. Please, follow your own guidelines.

On the recolours remark. You need to understand that in many of sprite comic communities of the time, AKA, the context of when the series started, original characters consisted of a Megaman recolour with a new hair style. Here we are moving into the realm of Anthropology studies.

No somebody unconnected from the subject would not say that people will recognise it on most places on the net. Likely because they have never thought to ask about it, because they are unconnected. You, sir, have demonstrated a wonderful Catch-22.

I also have to question the practice of writing an article from the view of somebody who does not know the subject hence the "Would someone unconnect from the topic say X" query on it breaking the article. Because then we move into the territory of the Catch-22 of an article being written by somebody that does not know the subject, and an article having little tidbits of information that somebody knowing the article can put in.

You do have a point on the JasonTheEchidna doing some "rather impressive" things. I will likely remedy this. I was up until now, not going over a large amount of the technical details on here--but if this is what I should be doing, then, I will. However, this also gets the result of it being more unreadable.

Also wonderful use of "Murder, Arson and Jaywalking" item with the Grammar spot on at the end. One that you did not put a single example of such a thing existing. I mean, you do have a point on the other ones--this was just icing put on that you did not back up. Also, we are running into an issue of definition as to what you have when you see a comma (,) or a stop (.). I admit, there are a few issues in the article that do have issues. Though, when there are issues, usually commas misuse is tacted on as form of useless complaint. This complaint works because when people hear it, that get the image of:

"so like i went to the mall and bought some shoes they did not fit so I got a refund and everything was good."

Or at least, that is how I understood your complaint of reading this as. Which, the article does not read anything like such.

Apart from issues dealing with citations and possible misuse of commas (of which you have failed to show any examples of), you have failled to demonstrate any issues with the article. Sorry--this is not flying with me. --KatrinaTheLamia 05:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Ambiguous Tag Complaint

Okay--this is the second time a page has been tagged as "not right" without any bloody information given on the matter. So far I have "personak essay" and "not appropriate" tagged to this.

A few issues I see with this:

• This is a site dedicated to information on a subject. I am kind of at a loss as to what the alternative would be here. As I have yet to figure out how to post interpretive dance onto a MediaWiki article.
• The link to where to get more information... sadly... fails. No such information on to why this is not in anyway appropriate is there. I mean, unless you mean to throw up the argument of "it is not furry enough"--though, that raises issues, as well, the series has been heavily influenced by Sonic The Hedgehog and Megaman thanks to the community--most of which are furry. I mean--the community has had, in its grouping: several Sonic fans... a "kirby"... a scalie and what is referred to as "an anthropomorphic tasty". I mean--short of pulling a Bob and Doug MacKenzie type move like SCTV, I have to ask what the issue is here.
• Implies a bias. If this article is bias, I would kind of like to figure out what you think makes it bias. I mean, I would.

So... in short... on the meta on this, I am going to need to do a citation needed here. Just something that has irritated me on a _lot_ of wikis I have been on.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by KatrinaTheLamia (talk • contribs) .

Okay, this is why it was that as such: It's a mess, un-furry/non-furry common, hard to read, offers no context to the reader, reads like a high school essay, gone wrong in very multiple ways, in other words, not an article appropriate for this wiki - Spirou 04:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I think you may be having issues expressing yourself on this matter. Yes, it is poorly written, I will go through and try to fix that, once I figure out what the issues are. This consists of one of those articles that does not have any obvious syntax issues, but still somehow has reading issues to it.

And going to ask for a citation of the unfurry element. A large proportion of the community has been furry. Which in effect has shift the series from being rather unfurry to territory that gets a lot more furry as things go along. Mostly in that, from various inside information I do have, it has started to run more heavy parallels into game series like Sonic and Crash (where as the only Mario connection is a single Super Mario Brothers 2: USA parody that appeared). Considering that the characters are all video game characters, with one of the big names in the series being an anthropomorphic plant (enough that Bogey has gained enough mascot recognition as Kid Radd amongst the people following it).

Again, I am going to say that this is about as nonfurry as SCTV is not a piece of Canadian Content. We have had work on it by JasonTheEchidna, Muddasheep and myself. For a while, the IRC channel was that particular network's domain for Kitsune... then it moved into Sonic fans. I mean, of the IRC channel's demographics we have had: an Echidna, a Lamia, two Pichus, A Mintsune (Minty Kitsune), several normal Kitsune, a vampyr and an anthropomorphic tasty. This is an example of a community that was taken over from the inside by Furries. So, if this is not furry, then SCTV is not a Canadian show.

On the no context... citation needed tags would be what is used here... not a "not appropriate". Follow you own damn guidelines.

And, if you are going to be able to say "gone wrong in very multiple ways" you need to cite why you think this. I mean, if I can be taken down for not giving lists of examples as to my point, then you are just as fallible to such a prospect.

So--in other words, until you explain the leg (or tail) you stand on, and stop using subjective reasons yourself, I am calling bullshit. --KatrinaTheLamia 05:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)