Talk:Evil Sibe
Contents
Attention, Regarding link to Criminal record
The link has been approved as allowed information in regards all privacy laws, public information laws and terms of services for all websites involved. Please see User_talk:Nidonocu#Personal_contact_information.3F for the discussion regarding this. --Nidonocu - talk 00:06, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Numerous edits have been made to this page since the annoucement of WikiFur. These edits removed information from the page, and so were reverted. When I made the page, I tried to stick to the facts. So far, there has been no debate over them, but there is debate about whether or not they set Sibe in a fair light. There is also debate over whether his real name should be on this page.
Here is a log of a chat on the Wikicities debating this topic, mostly between myself, Offline, and Markus:
If you are a visitor to this page, your opinion on whether or not it is appropriate for Sibe's real name to be on the page would be welcome below. Also, any further reliable sources of information that you have could be useful. --GreenReaper(talk) 07:46, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
"Sold" pirated art?
I know that he's distributed and torrented various copyrighted works, such as Genus Male and a bunch of art sites such as "SexyFur," but where's the proof that he's actually sold the pirated artwork? I've never heard of that up until now.
Granted I hope this proof doesn't come from word-of-mouth. It seems that whenever Sibe is discussed, McCarthyism suddenly goes into full-effect and people try to one-up each other on what they've heard from the grapevine about $$DA EVIL HUSKEE$$. --Verix
- That's fair enough. I can't immediately see evidence for this in the sources, and none were marked as showng that, so I've changed it to "distributing" rather than "offering for sale". Thanks for helping make this article better! --GreenReaper(talk) 02:55, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Oh it's no problem. Is there any chance of also getting a commentary on the scapegoating that occurs due to his infamy? Such as if anyone attacks a channel anywhere, or if something happens to anything furry related, the immidiate response is "it was Sibe!"? Not trying to portray him in a better light, because hey, the record's there (at least at the bottom of the page under "criminal record"), but just trying to add more information as to what happens with this dude. --Verix
- Sure, if you can provide some evidence of it . . . for example, if there are newsgroup or forum posts of it occurring. I've not seen it myself, so I don't know.
- Of course, you should be make sure that it's not really Sibe behind it all. He can be tricksy, that husky. Like a fox, only grayer! ;-) --GreenReaper(talk) 03:24, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Oh of course. I know of one specifically that happened on FurNet in a channel called #dragonyiff. A bunch of furries (and some Something Awful goons, I think) with the idea to just flood a channel came in, then stopped when the channel was set to "mute." After the flood stopped, one of the few responses was that it was Sibe's doing. That's just one example. I'm not quite sure if it's incredibly apparent, though, but I'll be sure to try and remember more situations that've happened. Verix 03:45, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- I never sold pirated art. Thats a blatent lie.
Hard Evidence
Since people were looking for factual information regarding Sibe, I have provided the admins of this site with the actual photocopy scans (in PDF form) of Sibe's criminal record and other related litigation records.
On a note for some of the more privacy minded people who have commented on this disccussion. This information is freely available through the Freedom of Information Act of 1966 and through the Privacy Act of 1974. Posting said information in a public forum or other press type format, such as this site, as a part of the Sibe article to present real and hard evidence of this person in question, is an activity which is specifically protected by the Constitution's first amendment and these two acts. Contrary to what some people have mentioned above, the posting of such information can not be legally constituted as slander because the name "Sibe" is considered a criminal alias for the purposes of identifying Mr. Ross Reddick, and because all information pertaining to such activities within his criminal record is factual. Slander must include some element of falsehood which is designed to ruin a person. Facts and truth are not slander no matter how unflattering they are. Additionally, since this information is directly pertinent to the furry community, it would be unfair in the interests of truth and neutrality to withhold or censor it. The facts should be allowed to speak for themselves, if they paint the person in a bad light then it falls upon the person in question to rectify their own actions.
Finally, if you are interested in more information about Mr. Reddick, then I suggest contacting the FBI and requesting a copy of his FBI file (Yes, one exists and is rather lengthy); contacting one of the groups whom is in currently in litigation with him, like Rabbit Valley Press or FurNation Press; or contacting the state/county that said litigation is under teh jurisdiction of.
--Chronocoon 03:59, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Huh? Slander? Who mentioned anything about slander? Or am I just being lazy and not seeing mentions of it in that huge chatlog above or in the discussion I had with Green? -- Verix 05:00, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Slander is an inference to what Offline was referring to with regards to the use of Sibe's real name.
(Offline): Well, i'm not saying that the information is correct or not. I'm actually not to sure myself. It's just the simple fact that it carrys his real name. I would think it better if that were deleated. the name "sibe" refers to a fictional character in my opinion. since furrys tend to make up chartoon characters, and should not reflect their real lives. (Offline): Thats all i'm getting at.
- Slander ≠ Libel. Sillies.
For the purposes of this discussion, what the law has to say about the name "Sibe" is that it's not a fictional character but a criminal alias of a real person. The use of his real name might be considered slanderous or an invasion of privacy if not for the FOIA. -- Chronocoon 06:25, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- Ahh. Okay, I figured it was my ADD. Thanks for the clarification. -- Verix 05:21, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Oh yeah, just an FYI after thought clarification on what I wrote as well: From the point of view of the law, there is a marked difference between an Alias, and a Fictional Name. A fictional name is only used to refer to something which does not exist. However, a fictional name ceases being so when it is used to refer to a real person. This name association turns it into an alias, and aliases are not granted any legal right to privacy. The rationalle for placing aliases on public record and offering them no protection of privacy is to prevent the use of false or alternative names to commit acts of fraud. It is for this the very reason that a legal name change requires a court hearing in most states and one must swear under oath in front of a judge that the name change is not to defraud anyone or to commit future acts of fraud. If aliases were not covered like this, it would present an exploitable loop hole to commit fraud. Additionally, according to the law, the real world does not cease to exist just because someone's actions occur in some intangible virtual space such as IRC or Second Life. The person in the real world sitting behind the computer can be and often is held legally accountable for their actions, wether they be under a "fictional character name" or their real name. So, in closing, regardless of one's opinion on this, whether in agreement or not, it is important to understand that this precident is the one which is currently upheld within the United States judicial system. That's something to chew on and consider as a whole with regard to the whole 'name' rule for this site.
- I should point out that various furs do have valid, legitimate court orders of protection against Mr. Reddick. These furs do go to conventions, and the stipulations of several of their protection orders include "if Mr. Reddick is at the same location as the plaintiff, Mr. Reddick must leave."
- I should also point out (Sibe) that "various" furs do not have valid, legitimate anti-harassment orders against Mr. Reddick. The only one who does is Grey Fox Of Winter , AKA Loki Grey Coyote, aka Lonnie Wilson. That is the only "protection order" that has ever been served my person on a furrys behalf. The way Lonnie got this order was I emailed him, he responded with do not contact me anymore. Then I replied to that with "Why are you so mean?" He used that email discussion as grounds to get his anti-harassment order (less binding then a restraining order). The order will expire Feburary 2006. -Sibe
There's also an interesting interstate aspect of things: if a court order of protection is violated across or while across state lines, it carries 5+ years of jail time in a federal prison, minimum sentence.
Thus, if Mr. Reddick shows his face at a convention that I know one of these furs is at, I will be calling the FBI, and we'll be rid of him for a while.
- Winged
- Do you have links to scans of these court orders, or physical copies of them? --Dmuth 15:16, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Revert of questionable content
I reverted out the following edit to the History section, 20 March 2002:
- Having taken $500 from the account, Sibe went to downtown portland to blow the cash at a gay strip club called the Silverado. After blowing the money at the bar, getting drunk and buying drinks for everyone in the bar he drove to Camas, Washington with one of the strippers in the bar. At approximately 7a.m. he was arrested for the theft of the automobile (among other charges).
It sounds questionable, it certainly isn't NPOV, and even if it's true, it strikes me as inflammatory and irrelevant detail, something I don't think WikiFur wants to get into. Fell free to discuss and decide if it should be restored. --mwalimu 17:23, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- While I disagree in part with how the information was presented, I do believe it is more than plausible given his other actions. If we're describing Sibe's character here, how he spent the money is relevant. I would feel uncomfortable about naming the dancer who went with him, but fortunately this did not come up. The terms of the writing were not NPOV - I have adjusted this. --GreenReaper(talk) 17:43, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Questionable links
An Anonymous user has added information to the article under history and external links which leads to a site that, according to the "new" information in the article, contains a .torrent file which in itself allows a Bit Torrent user to download about 9GB of copyrighted material like that from Sexyfur among other sites. The same changes in the article suggest that Sibe had been banned from LJ because he refused to remove that link from his journal. If that much is true and the supporting evidence is correct, then it may be wise to remove the potentially illegal link(s) from the page to avoid any potential legal trouble. At this time, I have done so, though leaving the "written" email links in place. I would personally think that linking to a page that itself links to a potentially illegal pirated collection of pictures is an unsafe thing to do on this wiki. --Markus 12:42, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Edit: On second thought, after reading the emails themselves, I find them a little dubious. They hold the real names and email addresses as well as phone numbers of a certain person, and if they are real, the people in question probably wouldn't want to be flooded with calls from heaven only knows how many people. The links so far are found on the thepiratebay website and are called "rabbit_mail", "rabbit_resp", and "rabbit_mail2" respectively and in order. I find them dubious though and probably the entire tracker system of the site may reflect its name, I won't care either way. --Markus 12:42, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I'm unsure about this myself. I don't doubt that the emails are valid - actually I think they show Rabbit Valley in a fairly good light, which probably wouldn't be the case if they were fake.
- I did like the reference to PafCon:
Hope to see you at the annually furry-convention in Las Vegas! Our whole staff will be going as the cast from the movie "Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey"
- I don't think it's worth worrying about too much, though. --GreenReaper(talk) 21:19, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Exclusion
Please send a valid, verifiable, e-mail request to one of the Wikifurry administrators. The request for exclusion must be made by the person the entry appertains to. Spirou 18:10, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Please regard this as the official request for exclusion. Sibe
- Please send a valid, verifiable, e-mail request to one of the Wikifurry administrators. The request for exclusion must be made by the person the entry appertains to. A written request on a Wikifurry page without proper verification is not a valid form of request. As your IP indicates prior vandalism of Wikifurry entries, we have no way to confirm that you are "Ross H. Reddick," (Sibe.) Please refer to the first suggestion for proper exclusion. Spirou 18:16, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- "Negative /r/ removal" is not a valid address. Spirou 18:21, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I've temporarily protected the entry until the exclusion request is verified as actually being from Sibe by an administrator. Play by the rules, and we'll be happy to accomodate your request. Carl Fox 20:12, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)